Anybody who thinks we need another forum needs his head examined. There is no shortage of Wine forums. We just need to use the ones that already exist. Adding a new one will just fragment the community further.
In particular, there are two forums right now that people already use to discuss wine problems: a generic one at http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/wine/ and an Ubuntu-specific one at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=313 Let's just link to them. I'll submit a patch to do that in a minute.
And I like Griswold's idea (on IRC) of improving the current appdb in small ways, e.g. changing the reply behavior to not open up a new page.
For goodness' sake, don't create yet another new forum! - Dan
On Tuesday February 19 2008 05:43:33 Dan Kegel wrote:
Anybody who thinks we need another forum needs his head examined. There is no shortage of Wine forums. We just need to use the ones that already exist. Adding a new one will just fragment the community further.
In particular, there are two forums right now that people already use to discuss wine problems: a generic one at http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/wine/ and an Ubuntu-specific one at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=313 Let's just link to them. I'll submit a patch to do that in a minute.
This is certainly good idea!
And I like Griswold's idea (on IRC) of improving the current appdb in small ways, e.g. changing the reply behavior to not open up a new page.
For goodness' sake, don't create yet another new forum!
- Dan
I agree that there is no need in "just another forum", really... Main point of this discussion was that winehq.org should have a link(s) to a forum(s) of some kind (WINE related) so users can find it easily. That's more than enough, actually. I saw your recent patch for this and I think this is exactly what was needed to fix the issue. So I think this topic is resolved (or, to be exact, will be resolved when your patch will be committed). Thank you for quick fix!
On Feb 19, 2008 12:43 AM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
Anybody who thinks we need another forum needs his head examined. There is no shortage of Wine forums. We just need to use the ones that already exist. Adding a new one will just fragment the community further.
The whole point of the discussion at wineconf was not adding yet another non-official sanctioned forum but having one that was blessed as the official go to place for information about any issue related to Wine. If we want to bless a list of existing forums it does nothing to reduce the fragmentation that already exists. My thoughts, as well as Tom's was that by creating a "blessed" location, all third parties as well as vendors that develop Wine related products could say "if you want to discuss using a vendor provided Wine product in a non-supported manner all are advised to go here and share information" Right now you have POL, Winedoors, CrossOver, Cedega, Bordeaux, etc all are Wine forks and addons that have little cross-polination of user related issues, tips and tweaks. Because Wine does not have all the spit and polish needed to "just work" out of the box there is a lot of duplicate work, some done by distribution maintainers, others done by lone hackers and still others done by Wine companies. As far as the users or these products go, who do they talk to when they have an unsupported issue?
Lets say a gentoo user runs Cedega for an unsupported game, maybe it works in Winehq on Ubuntu but because of the existing forum fragmentation, where do they look? Winehq appdb? The news group? wine-users? Ubuntu forums? What about the CodeWeavers user running a non-supported application on Wine 0.9.foo and he wants to know how to drop a dll in to his CW install from stock Wine? CodeWeavers should not support that but Wine having a stable API makes it possible for the community to support that, provided that vendors package Wine in a sane manner. I could go on, but I think you should get the idea.
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