Steven wrote:
I can't speak for Tom on this issue, though I was the one to suggest that he start the forum after the Wineconf discussions regarding the mailing list and newsgroup disconnection.
So you're the guilty party! Next time you decide to shake up the wine community like that, please consider discussing the move with the developer community first.
I think long term we might want to see about just killing the users mailing list if the forum proves to be much more popular. The idea is to have ONE central place for all user discussions.
The mailing list can in fact be the central place, even in the era of web-based interfaces. Killing it would greatly annoy a large population of people, including especially the developers who sometimes help users on the list.
The thing to kill, if anything, is the usenet group; sadly, usenet does seem to be decaying pretty badly.
As an experiment, I've set up a google groups front end for wine-users. It's at http://groups.google.com/group/wine-users/ For this to become real, we'd have to switch the mailman user list over.
Do folks think we should try that? Or do people really think we should kill the mailing list and go to a forum? - Dan
On 10/29/07, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
Do folks think we should try that? Or do people really think we should kill the mailing list and go to a forum?
I have never said the first word about killing any mailing list. I put up a forum so users would have a singe place to post to, and not have to post to the first forum they ran into that had a Wine section in it.
Anyone here can go to any Linux related forum and find post in them about Wine.... Wine users asking questions to others who may or may not be interested in Wine in the slightest way.
I have personally seen people post and ask a question regarding Wine and others have tried there best to steer them away from Wine and the *EVIL* M$ platform software....
With answers like, if you run a game in Wine *you* are only hurting Linux as this removes incentive for game developers to port to Linux.
Or scaring people with the notion a virus could take down there system or turn it into a spam bot!
So that I'm clear, I will repeat myself and say........ I *don't* intend to kill the users mailing list. I do however intend to kill the fact that people didn't have a Wine centric forum to post in, until this morning anyway.
If you want to join the forum that is totally your prerogative, its open to the public.
Tom
- Dan
On 10/29/07, Tom Wickline twickline@gmail.com wrote:
I have never said the first word about killing any mailing list. I put up a forum so users would have a singe place to post to...
But unless we kill the wine-users mailing list, you can't achieve your stated goal of having just one place to post. - Dan
On 10/29/07, Dan Kegel dank06@kegel.com wrote:
On 10/29/07, Tom Wickline twickline@gmail.com wrote:
I have never said the first word about killing any mailing list. I put up a forum so users would have a singe place to post to...
But unless we kill the wine-users mailing list, you can't achieve your stated goal of having just one place to post.
- Dan
Well, a single forum and a mailing list is a vast improvement over multiple forums and a mailing list. If you get your way it will be a forum and Google groups, and then you and Google will be the one who kills the Wine user mailing list, not me.
Tom
On 10/29/07, Tom Wickline twickline@gmail.com wrote:
Well, a single forum and a mailing list is a vast improvement over multiple forums and a mailing list. If you get your way it will be a forum and Google groups, and then you and Google will be the one who kills the Wine user mailing list, not me.
? We seem to be on different planets.
There are quite a few forums where wine problems are discussed. You might need to shut down all of these to achieve your stated goal. Here are a few:
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/wine/ http://www.playonlinux.com/forums/ http://www.frankscorner.org/yabb/YaBB.pl http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/forum/ http://www.reactos.org/forum/
My stated goal is to not increase the number of discussion forums / mailing lists, yet still appeal to the "I hate email" generation. I think the google groups front end for the existing mailing list comes pretty close to that... - Dan
Hi,
On 10/29/07, Dan Kegel dank06@kegel.com wrote:
But unless we kill the wine-users mailing list, you can't achieve your stated goal of having just one place to post.
It does help consolidate all other Wine forum discussion that already goes on everywhere else though. My thinking is to leave wine-users, the newsgroup and the forum up for a while and then see which is the most popular/user friendly. If one achieves a dominate position then we can nuke the other venues.
I am not even opposed to trying to move wine-users over to a google group as a test...I just don't personally like the interface.
Hi,
On 10/29/07, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
So you're the guilty party! Next time you decide to shake up the wine community like that, please consider discussing the move with the developer community first.
Yes...well I plead no contest anyway. I did not gather from the Wineconf discussion that we had actually reached consensus on a method. I just thought you we're going to throw the google groups idea out to the community at large.
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As an experiment, I've set up a google groups front end for wine-users. It's at http://groups.google.com/group/wine-users/ For this to become real, we'd have to switch the mailman user list over.
Do folks think we should try that? Or do people really think we should kill the mailing list and go to a forum?
My vote is for a forum. I am not big on the google groups layout. Tom has offered his services and has a lot of experience with Wine users and support so I think we should go with that.
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