So, what should we be asking wine users to be doing once rc1 is out? How about this:
--- snip --- Calling all wine users! Today, after 15 years of development, the first release candidate for wine-1.0.0 was released. Wine has been under heavy development in recent months, and some applications that used to work well no longer do. But we don't know which ones! Please help us find them, so we can fix them. Here's how:
0. Make sure your machine runs glxgears properly (if it crashes, you may need to update your graphics drivers)
1. Install wine-1.0.0-rc1 (you can download it from http://www.winehq.org/site/download ). Make sure wine's notepad starts up ok and says "wine 1.0.0 rc1" when you do Help / About Wine.
2. Visit the Wine application database at http://appdb.winehq.org/browse_by_rating.php?sRating=Platinum and pick out a few applications that supposedly work perfectly under Wine but do not yet have any test reports with wine-1.0.0-rc1 or later.
3. Try installing and running those apps, one at a time. Before installing each app, delete your .wine directory; that way you get a clean run, uncontaminated by the previous app's settings.
4. For each app you test, add a test report into Wine's AppDB.
As a token of our thanks, we will pick one of the users who submits a healthy set of useful test results and send him or her a tasteful Wine-themed goodie of some sort.
So fire up your keyboards and start testing! Thanks, and good hunting! --- snip ---
(Not sure how the goodie would be handled, but I'm willing to cover the expenses myself, especially if I get to pick the winner :-)
How's that sound?
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
As a token of our thanks, we will pick one of the users who submits a healthy set of useful test results and send him or her a tasteful Wine-themed goodie of some sort.
Maybe we should all pitch in or tap the Wine party fund and give out a bunch of t-shirts to people that step up to confirm and triage new and exiting bug reports also. Assuming a t-shirt is good motivation, maybe a CD with 1.0 on it Autographed by Alexandre and a custom Wine bottle for someone that goes above and beyond. I'd be willing to pitch in to have a custom bottle/labled shipped.
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Steven Edwards winehacker@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
As a token of our thanks, we will pick one of the users who submits a healthy set of useful test results and send him or her a tasteful Wine-themed goodie of some sort.
Maybe we should all pitch in or tap the Wine party fund and give out a bunch of t-shirts to people that step up to confirm and triage new and exiting bug reports also. Assuming a t-shirt is good motivation, maybe
Yeah, t-shirts sound right. I think Maarten was going to try whipping something together out of the drunken penguin artwork.
Maybe we should give out two per release candidate, or something.
a CD with 1.0 on it Autographed by Alexandre and a custom Wine bottle for someone that goes above and beyond. I'd be willing to pitch in to have a custom bottle/labled shipped.
No need, I think T-shirts would do nicely. But we can always change our mind after the fact... - Dan
Hello,
2008/5/5 Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com:
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Steven Edwards winehacker@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Dan Kegel dank@kegel.com wrote:
As a token of our thanks, we will pick one of the users who submits a healthy set of useful test results and send him or her a tasteful Wine-themed goodie of some sort.
Maybe we should all pitch in or tap the Wine party fund and give out a bunch of t-shirts to people that step up to confirm and triage new and exiting bug reports also. Assuming a t-shirt is good motivation, maybe
Yeah, t-shirts sound right. I think Maarten was going to try whipping something together out of the drunken penguin artwork.
Maybe we should give out two per release candidate, or something.
I'm really horribly at making artwork, so if there is someone who wants to make artwork I can get it printed on t-shirt. Anyone willing to go for it? Bonus if you get the the artwork done using photoshop cs2 in wine.
Cheers, Maarten.
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 05:45:57PM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote:
- Make sure your machine runs glxgears properly
(if it crashes, you may need to update your graphics drivers)
Why would I need working glxgears? Wine works fine for my every day work and I haven't had working 3D acceleration for the past few months.
Ciao Joerg
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Joerg Mayer jmayer@loplof.de wrote:
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 05:45:57PM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote:
- Make sure your machine runs glxgears properly
(if it crashes, you may need to update your graphics drivers)
Why would I need working glxgears? Wine works fine for my every day work and I haven't had working 3D acceleration for the past few months.
I think Dan is assuming (and is probably right) that many of the tested apps will be games, which, without working glxgears will have incorrect test data submitted.
Does the AppDB have any support for listing video hardware/drivers? That would probably be pretty useful...
Dan Kegel wrote:
So, what should we be asking wine users to be doing once rc1 is out? How about this:
This has as subject "Call for Testing" but we could also need help with the translations http://wiki.winehq.org/Translating and http://pf128.krakow.sdi.tpnet.pl/wine-transl/
bye michael
--- snip --- Calling all wine users! Today, after 15 years of development, the first release candidate for wine-1.0.0 was released. Wine has been under heavy development in recent months, and some applications that used to work well no longer do. But we don't know which ones! Please help us find them, so we can fix them. Here's how:
- Make sure your machine runs glxgears properly
(if it crashes, you may need to update your graphics drivers)
- Install wine-1.0.0-rc1 (you can download it from
http://www.winehq.org/site/download ). Make sure wine's notepad starts up ok and says "wine 1.0.0 rc1" when you do Help / About Wine.
- Visit the Wine application database at
http://appdb.winehq.org/browse_by_rating.php?sRating=Platinum and pick out a few applications that supposedly work perfectly under Wine but do not yet have any test reports with wine-1.0.0-rc1 or later.
- Try installing and running those apps, one at a time.
Before installing each app, delete your .wine directory; that way you get a clean run, uncontaminated by the previous app's settings.
- For each app you test, add a test report into Wine's AppDB.
As a token of our thanks, we will pick one of the users who submits a healthy set of useful test results and send him or her a tasteful Wine-themed goodie of some sort.
So fire up your keyboards and start testing! Thanks, and good hunting! --- snip ---
(Not sure how the goodie would be handled, but I'm willing to cover the expenses myself, especially if I get to pick the winner :-)
How's that sound?
- For each app you test, add a test report into Wine's AppDB.
As a token of our thanks, we will pick one of the users who submits a healthy set of useful test results and send him or her a tasteful Wine-themed goodie of some sort.
So fire up your keyboards and start testing! Thanks, and good hunting!
I'd explicitly state something about reporting bugs for things that don't work. It should be obvious, but being explicit rarely hurts. As I tell my friends who refuse to file bugs: "They can't fix it if they don't know its broke".
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Adam Petaccia adam@tpetaccia.com wrote:
- For each app you test, add a test report into Wine's AppDB.
I'd explicitly state something about reporting bugs for things that don't work. It should be obvious, but being explicit rarely hurts. As I tell my friends who refuse to file bugs: "They can't fix it if they don't know its broke".
Yeah. But I'd rather not scare them with bugzilla, so how about this:
4. For each app you test, add a test report into Wine's AppDB. Since you're only testing apps that were rated as platinum, it should work perfectly, even for people who don't know a commandline from a kumquat. If it doesn't work perfectly from start to finish, rate it no higher than gold. Now, if this was just a misrated application, you're done. But if you can verify that it actually worked great in an earlier version of wine, you've found a regression! In that case, please post a message whose subject starts with 'regression:' in the wine forum (or the wine-users mailing list), or file a bug at bugs.winehq.org.
Now, that text is too long, but you get the idea. How's it sound now?
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